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		<title>By: Ebizman</title>
		<link>http://meeshlet.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/malaysia-after-hindraf-forum-a-long-summary/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebizman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello bro/sis..
im new to diz issue..
i duno  wat 2 say about it..
altough d issue is hot n has been goin on 4 a while..i didn took interest 2 read bot it..
but nw,i tink i f to so.
anyway,ur info is gd..
i enjoyed d content..
danXX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello bro/sis..<br />
im new to diz issue..<br />
i duno  wat 2 say about it..<br />
altough d issue is hot n has been goin on 4 a while..i didn took interest 2 read bot it..<br />
but nw,i tink i f to so.<br />
anyway,ur info is gd..<br />
i enjoyed d content..<br />
danXX</p>
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		<title>By: MystiKaL</title>
		<link>http://meeshlet.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/malaysia-after-hindraf-forum-a-long-summary/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>MystiKaL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Kumar got it spot on the way i see it..

I could say more but i would simply be re-iterating what i penned on my blog. Drop by if you would like a Singaporean perspective =)

Selva</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Kumar got it spot on the way i see it..</p>
<p>I could say more but i would simply be re-iterating what i penned on my blog. Drop by if you would like a Singaporean perspective =)</p>
<p>Selva</p>
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		<title>By: meeshlet</title>
		<link>http://meeshlet.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/malaysia-after-hindraf-forum-a-long-summary/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>meeshlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyber Gandhi, as much as I respect your views, I hardly think that quoting forums and passing on link about possible terrorist LLTE involvement in Malaysia is the way to go, at least on my blog and I have deleted them. 

As much as I believe in the power of the Internet, online forums where drivel is spouted and hearsay is very much the name of the game is not my style. It is absolutely similar to those crack emails you get about coke erroding your innards. I drink coke (with alcohol) and yes, I still have in possession my innards. These sort of baseless allegations, do not sit well with me. 

Recently, I have come under fire from many Indians both in Malaysia, India and Sri Lanka, for not supporting the cause for HINDRAF after being quoted in Daily News and Analysis (DNA) (for their own set of respective reasons), but I have already explained why, which is that their methodology is flawed in a multi-ethnic context like Malaysia. 

However, as for the allegations about their links to the RSS and the LTTE, by the IGP of Malaysia and the AG about the denial of bail and the alleged involvement of the HINDRAF comm members with RSS/LTTE - I find them at this point, well, exactly that, allegations. Unfounded and untrue until they are proven, I will not as blogmistress and as a Malaysian and journalist, decide on whether it is an absolute, irrefutable truth.

One thing many Hindu nationalists and also the people from the other side such as yourself need to understand is that Malaysians operate on a different set of rules, a different framework than that of India and Lanka. 

I won&#039;t say you cannot draw parallels, our Constitution and judiciary (india and malaysia) are very much similar, reminders of a post colonial mist, but one must take into consideration the ethnic problems here that go beyond what you see in the news and is deep set into a system that is on the brink of possible failure due to corruption, greed and the abuse of power. T

here is a fight now, in the media, in politics, in the country from a government that perceives it is under siege, when it is not, from the people who feel they have no voice (Not just Indians), which they want to reclaim, and rightly so for it is their right in this democracy, and draconian, cruel laws like the ISA and the denial of bail with a charge as flimsy as &#039;attempted murder&#039; to 31 people who were armed with almost nothing, is ludicrous.

Thank you for stopping by. You are very welcome here, but your comments will be moderated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyber Gandhi, as much as I respect your views, I hardly think that quoting forums and passing on link about possible terrorist LLTE involvement in Malaysia is the way to go, at least on my blog and I have deleted them. </p>
<p>As much as I believe in the power of the Internet, online forums where drivel is spouted and hearsay is very much the name of the game is not my style. It is absolutely similar to those crack emails you get about coke erroding your innards. I drink coke (with alcohol) and yes, I still have in possession my innards. These sort of baseless allegations, do not sit well with me. </p>
<p>Recently, I have come under fire from many Indians both in Malaysia, India and Sri Lanka, for not supporting the cause for HINDRAF after being quoted in Daily News and Analysis (DNA) (for their own set of respective reasons), but I have already explained why, which is that their methodology is flawed in a multi-ethnic context like Malaysia. </p>
<p>However, as for the allegations about their links to the RSS and the LTTE, by the IGP of Malaysia and the AG about the denial of bail and the alleged involvement of the HINDRAF comm members with RSS/LTTE &#8211; I find them at this point, well, exactly that, allegations. Unfounded and untrue until they are proven, I will not as blogmistress and as a Malaysian and journalist, decide on whether it is an absolute, irrefutable truth.</p>
<p>One thing many Hindu nationalists and also the people from the other side such as yourself need to understand is that Malaysians operate on a different set of rules, a different framework than that of India and Lanka. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t say you cannot draw parallels, our Constitution and judiciary (india and malaysia) are very much similar, reminders of a post colonial mist, but one must take into consideration the ethnic problems here that go beyond what you see in the news and is deep set into a system that is on the brink of possible failure due to corruption, greed and the abuse of power. T</p>
<p>here is a fight now, in the media, in politics, in the country from a government that perceives it is under siege, when it is not, from the people who feel they have no voice (Not just Indians), which they want to reclaim, and rightly so for it is their right in this democracy, and draconian, cruel laws like the ISA and the denial of bail with a charge as flimsy as &#8216;attempted murder&#8217; to 31 people who were armed with almost nothing, is ludicrous.</p>
<p>Thank you for stopping by. You are very welcome here, but your comments will be moderated.</p>
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		<title>By: CyberGandhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyberGandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regret to say that, I have to disagree on many of the issues forwarded by Malaysian HR Groups.

Freedom and duties of the individual to the state has to go hand in hand.  Majority of the conflicts are originated by economic imbalances or social issues.  HINDRAF has to fix their own social dogmas like caste system and the state should empower the poor of the nation.

To me, Malaysian model of ethnic balancing is a  more successful one than many.  The Lebanese structure fails to work due to external intervention. 
*deleted* 


Now look at conflict zones like Sri Lanka, which is having a large number of Tamil population . Sri Lankan intellectuals are looking closely about Malaysian Model. 

I would like you to invite you to read the following article.
&quot; As Regards the Tamil Issue, Lanka Must Follow Malaysia to Peace, Not India to Anarchy, &quot; By  Dilrook Kannangara 
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items07/091207-5.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regret to say that, I have to disagree on many of the issues forwarded by Malaysian HR Groups.</p>
<p>Freedom and duties of the individual to the state has to go hand in hand.  Majority of the conflicts are originated by economic imbalances or social issues.  HINDRAF has to fix their own social dogmas like caste system and the state should empower the poor of the nation.</p>
<p>To me, Malaysian model of ethnic balancing is a  more successful one than many.  The Lebanese structure fails to work due to external intervention.<br />
*deleted* </p>
<p>Now look at conflict zones like Sri Lanka, which is having a large number of Tamil population . Sri Lankan intellectuals are looking closely about Malaysian Model. </p>
<p>I would like you to invite you to read the following article.<br />
&#8221; As Regards the Tamil Issue, Lanka Must Follow Malaysia to Peace, Not India to Anarchy, &#8221; By  Dilrook Kannangara<br />
<a href="http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items07/091207-5.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items07/091207-5.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jelas.info &#187; Coverage of Forum - Thanks Meesh!</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelas.info &#187; Coverage of Forum - Thanks Meesh!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: meeshlet</title>
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		<dc:creator>meeshlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Dr. Kumar had great point, because we are fighting a class power. The biggest most powerful wars these day are being waged by those with economic power, not nuclear or along our primitive racial lines. The rich will get together and screw us over, and they sure ain&#039;t thinking about what colour their other brothers and sisters are as long as they get the money. Unfortunately, I also understand each person there had their own agenda. Dr. Kumar, Nat, Sivanesan, each pushed their own ideals and their own organization&#039;s ideals. Which is fine by me, it was inevitable. And yes, I follow your thoughts in Sivanesan&#039;s speech. I despise talk on racial lines and despite his assurances about not being racial, and saying SV is a &quot;rascal.&quot; Which begs the question then who will lead these people? And will they take Nat&#039;s advice and stop this one race rhetoric? I&#039;m optimistic, but I&#039;m also a realist, and I foresee months and days before the Elections and after of absolute drivel and high handedness that will either move us ahead as a united people, or create more discord. I hope for my country&#039;s sake, it&#039;s the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Dr. Kumar had great point, because we are fighting a class power. The biggest most powerful wars these day are being waged by those with economic power, not nuclear or along our primitive racial lines. The rich will get together and screw us over, and they sure ain&#8217;t thinking about what colour their other brothers and sisters are as long as they get the money. Unfortunately, I also understand each person there had their own agenda. Dr. Kumar, Nat, Sivanesan, each pushed their own ideals and their own organization&#8217;s ideals. Which is fine by me, it was inevitable. And yes, I follow your thoughts in Sivanesan&#8217;s speech. I despise talk on racial lines and despite his assurances about not being racial, and saying SV is a &#8220;rascal.&#8221; Which begs the question then who will lead these people? And will they take Nat&#8217;s advice and stop this one race rhetoric? I&#8217;m optimistic, but I&#8217;m also a realist, and I foresee months and days before the Elections and after of absolute drivel and high handedness that will either move us ahead as a united people, or create more discord. I hope for my country&#8217;s sake, it&#8217;s the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I think you have a pretty good analysis of what transpired yesterday. I, personally found Nat Tan the most persuasive speaker of the lot. I have my reservations about A. Sivanesan’s rhetorical speech, nevertheless, he was able to appeal to the Indian crowd. The HINDRAF movement certainly appeals to the Indian masses in a manner that is most frightening. They have managed to mobilize them but will they lead these digruntled people responsibly? There was a lot of arrogance in A. Sivanesan&#039;s speech which was frightening. Goading the police was rather unnecessary; after all they are merely an instrument of the government. 
I am still optimistic that we will see the dawning of a united Malaysia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I think you have a pretty good analysis of what transpired yesterday. I, personally found Nat Tan the most persuasive speaker of the lot. I have my reservations about A. Sivanesan’s rhetorical speech, nevertheless, he was able to appeal to the Indian crowd. The HINDRAF movement certainly appeals to the Indian masses in a manner that is most frightening. They have managed to mobilize them but will they lead these digruntled people responsibly? There was a lot of arrogance in A. Sivanesan&#8217;s speech which was frightening. Goading the police was rather unnecessary; after all they are merely an instrument of the government.<br />
I am still optimistic that we will see the dawning of a united Malaysia&#8230;</p>
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